
	SDAST chat meeting # 91: Tuesday 8th June 2004

Participants: Peter Kretschmar, Sami Maisala, Jerome Chenvez, Niels Joergen
	Westergaard, Silvia Martinez-Nunez, Stefan Larsson, Carol Anne Oxborrow
	
Subjects discussed:
	AI List: NJW's finishing all his IMOD AIs
		CAO's AIs have all been redated to 25th June 2004 when she goes
			on holiday
		NJW needs another month on all his other AIs
		SL still bogged down in source extraction
		PK and NJW to discuss common modelling algortithms next week at
			ISDC
	ADD Updates: All contributions to be in the CVS repository by 9.00 
		Monday 21st June	
		CAO to distribute ADD 9.0 on Friday 25th June
	SDAST holidays: CAO Away 26th June - 18th July
		PK away June 26-July 2 and July 12th - 17th
		NJW away June 24 - July 18
		SM away June 14th -29th June
		JC away July 7th - 27th July
		SL away most of July
		SMN no holiday planned yet
	SVR: SM to send NJW new background handling figures
		SL to provide new source extraction results
		CAO to provide gain smoothing figures
		PK to provide ource position results
	OSA 4.0: now in debugging phase
		Documentation to be updated next week
		JC has already run prototype pipeline without problems
		NJW to provide a list of test SCWs and suggested tests 
	AOB: Soeren Brandt to take over management of j_cor_gain from CAO
		Next SDAST meeting August 9th and 10th at DSRI

Action Items:


AI040608_1 ALL	June 18th 2004 Everyone to send NJW their respective 
contributions
OPEN				for the SVR

AI040608_2 NJW	June 9th 2004 Assemble a list of test ScWs on which to test 
OPEN 			OSA 4.0 and circulate a list of who should do what tests
			on the data



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> Hi everyone!
<peter> I've had some nice views of Venus by (protected) eye and scopes today, 
thanks END
<peter> Bonjour les dames!
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> Yes, we've been enjoying the historic event too. END
<larsson> Hi, sorry to be a bit late. END
<peter> Having our two favorite female SDAST collaborators joining us is always 
nice!  :-) END
<larsson> Talking about meee?? END
> Since when are you female? Is this something we should know about? END
<larsson> I just got nervous. Thaanks. END
<peter> Sorry Stefan, you entered just after Silvia and Carol Anne. END
> Hi Silvia, Hi Stefan, Hi Peter1 Has anyone any idea if Sami's joining us 
today? ENd
<silvia> Hi everyone !
> We'll wait a couple of minutes for Sami. END
<jerome> May I use this pause to ask about your vacancy period Peter? Are you at 
ISDC in August? END
<peter> I will mostly be there, except for a family reunion one weekend and 
probably an OMC meeting. And the SDAST meeting :-) END
> I don't think we can really wait any longer for Sami, so let's move on to
> the AI list. Has everyone read through the list I attached yesterday?
<njw> Y
> Has anyone got any completed AIs to confess? Ongoing? Cancelled? Obsoleted? 
END
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<smaisala> Hi there!. Sorry I'm late. Traffic problems. END
<peter> Unfortunately, no. AI_MMM_3 is still open ... END
<peter> Are you coming by car, Sami? END
<njw> AI28_4, AI28_5, AI28_6 are being done right now, so you can remove those.
<smaisala> No, by tram, but there were accident and therefore no trams.
<njw> AI26.9 must remain open; I've thought about it and it is not as 
straightforward
> Thanks njw! That's the kind of input I like END
<njw> as I originally thought. END
> My plans for this month are pretty straightforward: Work on Planck, until
<njw> Give me a month more on the rest of my actions END
> Fri. 19th June, then spend the following week on JEM-X including the ADD
> updates, and be finished with AIs and updates Fri. 25th and go on holiday
> Sat. 26th June. Sorry that first date should be friday 18th June. So I'll
> put 25/6/04 as the new due dates for all my AIs if that's okay with the
> rest of you. END
<peter> OK
> One month more added to NJW's actions. END
> What about the rest of you SL, SM, PK????? END
<larsson> I have a few AIs on my shoulders but right now I need to
<larsson> finnish a verification of my lates source extraction and get that into
<larsson> OSA4. END
<peter> For AI_MMM_3 I'm tied to my dear collaborators :-) END
<njw> I hope we can talk about that next week END
<larsson> I confess... Yes, lets try next week. END
> Next week? During the chat or is there a face-to-face I'm unaware of here? END
<njw> My visit at ISDC END
> Lucky you NJW
> !!!! end
<njw> Quite so END
> Any more comments on AIs? END
<larsson> N
<njw> N
<peter> N
<smaisala> N
<silvia> N
> Okay, let's press on to: ADD updates.
> Like I said, I'll be working on this between June 21 and 25th. It will be
> finished and distributed on the friday, come what may. I REALLY  need to be
> able to work on your files (completeness and consistency checks, indexing,
> cross-referencing etc. etc.) the entire week, so PLEASE, have all your updates
> in the CVS repository by 9.00 Monday 21st June. That includes not just 
individual
> component descriptions but also all the other things you are each responsible
> for: background handling descriptions, IMOD descriptions etc. etc.
> I will only have a little time to check that you've done the updates, but
> past experience has shown that it's a rare component description that actually
> fits with the latest delivery, so please take some trouble to do these things
> right the first time. That's my rant. Any comments? END
<njw> No, I'll do what I can END
<larsson> I have noted it all down Madam. END
<peter> Read you loud and clear Ma'm! END
<peter> It's on my list for next Tu/Wed, let's see if I manage. END
<peter> Sideline remark: possibly we should all exchange our summer 
holiday/absence plans for the next 2-3 months so there are no bad suprises END
> Good idea. I'm away from the institute from 26th June until 18th July. So I'll
> be back again on Monday 19th July. What about the rest of you? END
<njw> About the same for me June 24 - July 18 END
<jerome> My dates are: 7/7 - 27/7. I let you guess where I will be :) END
<peter> I'm on a trip to Garching & Munich June 26-July 2 and probably absent 
the week of July 12 to 17. END
<silvia> No planned summer holidays until the Thesis is finished END
<larsson> I will be away for most of July. END
<peter> To Jerome: at the ISDC happily combining holidays in summerly 
Switzerland with light project duties :-) END
<smaisala> I possibly have dates 14th -29th, so I have to do all my updates at 
this week. END
<jerome> I take note Peter. END
> I'll summarise all those dates in the chat summary so that we've all got a
> list. END
> Okay, next agenda item: The Science Validation Report
> presumably you've got full control of this NJW? END
<njw> The latest version can be gotten from the DSRI home page -> astrophysics 
-> JEMX -> documents
<njw> and then under SDAST documents (version 3.0 from Dec 5, 2003)
<njw> I would like:
<njw> Sami to look at the background stuff and send me updated figures (if 
better now)
<njw> Stefan to look at the spectral/lightcurve extraction - you must have some 
more material now
> And if those background figures are WORSE than before, what then? END
<njw> in particular for OSA4
<njw> Peter to have a look at source position information and ...
<larsson> Yes NJ, You will hear from me. END
<njw> Naturally any other constructive comments are more than welcome.
<njw> Jrme is already working hard.
> You just want the glitch smoothing and other interesting gain smoothing 
figures
> from me? When? END
<njw> All this needs to be finished before my holiday that starts June 24. 
Thanks. END
<njw> To CAO: Yes, thank you. In a week - is that possible ? END
> I'll put an AI on all of us to deliver our respective SVR contributions by
> say June 18th? END
<peter> To NJW, OK - will be done. I'll also check out some spectral questions 
again. END
<njw> Yes, this time we will spend more text on the shortcomings of the ISSW, so 
off-axis
<njw> angle where spectral extraction breaks down for example should be given 
END
> Any more comments on SRV? END
<njw> N
<jerome> N
<smaisala> N
<larsson> N
<silvia> N
> So next on the agenda: OSA 4.0 status. How's it going Peter, are we missing
> any new components still? END
<peter> No. We're now in the debugging phase. 
<peter> Stefan is working to fix his spectral extarction for larger angles and 
I've just fixed a bug in my scripts.
<peter> Several people are starting tests with our software, the documentation 
is also to be updated until next week or so. END
<jerome> How about the testing strategy we agreed on at DSRI? END
<peter> One missing question before: What did we say about when the SciVal 
report is finished? It must be before your holidays, NJW, right?
<njw> Right June 24 END
<njw> Bruce has set up a quasi OSA4 environment so it should be possible to 
start testing now (?) END
<jerome> I have already used OSA4 from Peter's jemx-int/sw_rep environment but 
for random observations
<jerome> (old GX5-1, new GPS, etc.), not for a decided list of ScWs.
<peter> To NJW, yes - using /isdc/integration/osa_int/current is probably the 
bestt option right now END.
<jerome> Anyway, the results I got seem to be OK and the scripts ran as 
expected. END
> Well that's very good news! any more comments on OSA 4.0 status? END
<njw> N
<peter> N
<jerome> Well, I am waiting for an answer aboiyt this tetsing startegy... Is it 
still actual? END
<silvia> I will send an e-mail this afternoon compring a Crab spectrum obtained 
with 3.5.1 and 4.0.0 using the old and new rmf. END
<silvia> sorry compring = comparing END
<larsson> n more comments from Stockholm. END
<peter> OK, let's try to get some order again: Jrme's question is still open:
<njw> I believe that the testing strategy is still our goal. For the SciVal, 
however, only
<peter> Is the testing strategy from our meeting still valid? 
> If we're going to go ahead with this strategy we have to assemble some tough
<smaisala> Sorry, I have to leave to other meeting. If there is something 
important, would you send me an email. Cheers, Sami END
> test cases: sources in the presence of a very strong source, fields with only
<njw> a limited part can be included. I'll try to come up with a very basic 
proposal. END
> weak sources etc. etc. Have we got such a list of test science windows, and
> who will assemble on e if we haven't? END
<njw> I'll assemble one - which should not prevent anyone from giving good 
advice END
> So if NJW assembles the test sci.win. list, who will do testing? I would
> certainly be prepared to make gain smoothing curves for the corresponding
> revolutions, just to prove that j_cor_gain can tackle these. What about the
> full scientific treatmment? END
<jerome> I have given NJW results from Crab spectra obtained with 
j_src_spectra-4.0.0 Is that this kind
<jerome> of things we need to do )again?) ? END
<njw> There will be no full scientific treatment - only well explained examples 
END
<njw> To Jerome: No, figures don't have to be that new - those exaples are fine 
END
> Okay, so for starters that's an AI on NJW to assemble a list of test SCWs. 
When
> should that due date be NJW? END
<njw> Tomorrow END
<jerome> Is everyone aware about what he/she has to test, what to run? END
<njw> Probably not - I'll hand out some suggestions END
> Excellent, NJW. END
<jerome> We have some input from the last hours meeting at DSRI, I guess. END
<njw> Y
> Well that sounds very good. Any more comments? END
<njw> N
<silvia> N
<peter> N
<jerome> N
<larsson> n
> Okay, last on the agenda: AOB
> I think it worth mentioning that it looks like Soeren will be taking over
> j_cor_gain from me - I don't have time for 90% JEM-X and 40% Planck, so some
> JEM-X work has to go. I've discussed this with NJW, NL and SB, and it looks
> like SB will be working on this component in the future. END
<peter> OK, I hope someone gives him an introduction to delivering items and the 
like ... END
> We can read manuals like the rest of us! END
> Sorry we= he END
> so any other AOB? END
<njw> N
<larsson> n
<jerome> N
<silvia> When and where is going to be the next SDAST Meeting ? END
<peter> To CAO, I'm serious - this is much easier if explained. END
> Next face-to-face meeting is set for August 9th and 10th at DSRI. END
<silvia> Mange tak Carol Anne -- END
> Selv tak, Silvia END
<silvia> Time for lunch "see you soon" END
> We'll chat again soon - have a good lunch everyone! END
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<njw> Bye bye
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<peter> Bye
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<jerome> Au revoir.
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