
	SDAST Weekly Chat # 81: Wednesday 5th November 2003
	
Participants: Peter Kretschmar, Stefan Larsson, Sami Maisala, Jerome Chenevez,
	Silvia Martinez-Nunez, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Niel Joergen Westergaard
	
Subjects discussed: 
	ADD status and review
	Valencia meeting: Start/stop times; agenda; hotel rooms
	AI List 
	ISDC rotation: new schedule, constraints
	5th INTEGRAL Workshop: who's going
	OSA 3.0: freeze; deliveries; expected release date; mini-releases
	Scripts: hidden parameters; background handling options

Action Items:
None


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<silvia> Bon jour Jerome ! 
> Hello, Jerome and Silvia! END
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<silvia> Hi Carol Anne ! 
<larsson> Hi folks! END
> Hi Stefan END
<jerome> Hej Stefan!
<silvia> Hej Stefan ! 
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> Hi Peter! Did you have venison for lunch - Jerome's been telling me
> all about his trip. END
<jerome> Salut Peter! Thank you for tha last two days at ISDC. END
<peter> Today it was beef & carrots on papardelle (broad italian pasta, larger 
than tagliatelle). END
<peter> But I didn't know my lunch was on the agenda :-)
<peter> END
<larsson> No, sounds good thou. END
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> Heavens! we're losing people quicker than we can get them to sign on!
<njw> Hi, sorry, I was delayed END
> I can't get Sami on the phone, so let's wait for Silvia to return and 
> then begin. END
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<peter> Hi Silvia, tried to sneak out, eh? END
<silvia> I am having troubles with the chat conection ! May be I should take off 
 , again :-) END
> So if you're all sitting comfortably, I'll begin. END
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> Hi Sami! We're just about to begin. Has your phone number changed - I
<Sami> Hello everybody! Sorry I'm late. END
> couldn't get you on the phone a few minutes ago? END
<Sami> My phone number is same. I just wasn't here. END
> Okay, about the ADD: I've been through it to check for inconsistencies in
> the use of parameters, data structures etc., and found lots of stuff to
> fix. You've already got a couple of emails from me, and you can expect
> a few more. Please get the corrections done as soon as possible. I'd like
> to have a reviewable version of ADD ready for you all by Friday. Any comments?
> END
<peter> That's OK, we really should get this done. END
> I think it's worth making this one big effort to get everything sorted out,
<silvia> N 
> and OSA 3.0 is  delayed so we have a little breathing room. END
> If there are no more ADD comments, we
> ll move on. Next Valencia, when to start on the Monday, when to stop on
> the Tuesday: can you remember the times we used last time we were with
> you Silvia? END
<silvia> No I do not ! But I suggest to start on Monday at 10:00 a.m to 13:30 
p.m and from 15:00 to 19:00 H (dinner time at 21:00 H). On Tuesday we can start 
at 09:00 a.m and finish at 13:00 H
<silvia> What do you think ? Do we have enough time for all the discussins ? END
> That sounds fine, so long as we work till 13.00 - we could have lunch at
> the airport afterwards maybe. END
<peter> Good question since we haven't set an agenda yet. But since we've had 
the last meeting not soooo long ago, it could work. END
<peter> Other opinions?
<peter> END
<jerome> I think it is OK. END
> If those times sound good, let's move on to agenda items.
> I have two that should be added to the usual ones:
> Source extraction (NL has requested this, and will be at the meeting)
> Mosaicing tool (coding, results so far, future plans) END
> All other suggestions welcome END
> Also I think some background discussion is needed: progress, results etc. END
<peter> Yes, I've just started to play with that one. END
> Mosaicing or background, Peter? END
<peter> One agenda item: Lessons from eXtreme Programming? (That's a software 
development technique about which we had a seminar recently) END
<peter> On background - mosaics are with Roland who was trying to include all 
the functionality into image_mosaic. END
> That's sounds good - I heard about it on a course a while back END
> What about scientific results? What about future desires for the software -
> desires from the astronomers, that is, not the developers. END
<silvia> I suggest to discuss about the scientific limitations of the software 
we will use for the 5th INTEGRAL Workshop presentations END
<silvia> Which results could we trust ? END
> That sounds good too. END
<peter> That's a slippery question indeed :-) END
> So lots to discuss! END
<jerome> Could we have a short presentation from Peter about the different tools
<jerome> and other special environment available at ISDC?
<jerome> END
<njw> Good idea, Jrme END
<larsson> Agreeeeeee. END
<peter> You're depriving yourself of the fun of being an explorer ... but as you 
wish :-) END
<jerome> The universe is too big!!! END
> I'd like to deprive  myself of that thrill too - it's on the agenda END
> Any other bright ideas? So we just have to book the tickets and order 
> the hotel rooms: Silvia did you get us hotel rooms last time, I can't
> remember? END
<silvia> I will apreciate if you contact Esther - copy to me - AS SOON AS 
POSSIBLE for hotel booking. 
<silvia> She will try to get Hotel Melia Ingles for all of you END
<silvia> Esther e-mail - just in case you do not remember - Esther.Enjuto@uv.es 
END
> Thanks, I'll get on to her - the hotel was very nice that we had last
> time. END
> Any more comments on the Valencia meeting? END
<Sami> Ehem. I don't have my calendar with me now. What were the meeting dates? 
END 
<silvia> 24th and 25th of November END
<Sami> Thanks. END
<peter> No more comments from me. END
<jerome> Same here. END
<silvia> N
<larsson> Same. END
> We'll be arriving on the 23rd from `sunny' Denmark. END
> On to agenda point 3: AI list, let's take a look!
> AI26.2		CAO	31 Aug 2003	Investigate behaviour of JEM-X2 
anode 1
OPEN					calibration source rev.s 30  to 50


> I think this has been done, sort of, and otherwise absorbed into ordinary
> work trying to understand the calibration source behaviour over all, so
> I'll close it, if that's okay with you all. END
<njw> Y
<Sami> Y
<peter> Y
<larsson> OK
> Next, Peter:
> AI26.3		PK	22 Aug 2003	Verify that systematic 
variations in found
OPEN					positions of sources are related to the
					source's off-axis angle

> Has this been verified, and if not, do we still need to verify it? END
<peter> I still need to recheck this with the OSA3 software. Keep it open, it's 
on my to-do-soon list as part of the overall scientific validation. ENM
<peter> END
> New due date please Peter END
> Okay, I'll just put end of November. END
<peter> Corrrect. END
> One for Peter (if he's still with us, and one for Sami to chew over):
> AI26.4		PK	22 Aug 2003	Check that relevant data 
structures are
OPEN					XRONOS compatible, if possible, and 
write
					SCREWs for those that could be but 
aren't

AI26.5		SM	31 Aug 2003	Check that the data he's using for BKG
OPEN					modelling is -COR data that includes
					Carl's SPAG and JC's anode corrections

> Finished or needing new due dates chaps? END
<peter> That one should be finished. END
<Sami> AI 26.5 is closed. I have run the analysis of my bkg with new 
corrections. END
> AI26.6		PK,NJW	31 Aug 2003	Find out how to calculate and 
implement
OPEN					different response functions for 
different
					data-taking modes


> SO PK and NJW, how's this going? END
<peter> Ahem, nothing happened up to now, I fear ... END
> New due date then, please END
<peter> Maybe we should try to come with proposals for our meeting. END
<peter> What do you think Niels Jrgen? END
> That's a good idea END
> This one's really for NL, but NJW could possibly tell us how it's coming on
<njw> Yes, let's do that END
> and whether it's still relevant:
> AI26.7		NL	31 Aug 2003	Make a new vignetting table 
(JMXI-VIGN-MOD)
OPEN					with improved resolution, down to a step
					size of 5% (?)


<njw> Niels is halfway there. He has some result for his and Carl's images. END
<njw> (he is at some SPC etc. meeting) END
> So it's still relevant and ongoing? I'll put end of November as new due
> date. END
<njw> OK
> This one's for NJW: AI26.9		NJW	31 Aug 2003	Look into making 
shadowgrams not based on
OPEN					weighted events, to handle grey filter 


<njw> Sorry, what was the continuation ? END
> How's this coming along? Ongoing, cancelled, forgotten? END
> This one's for you NJW:
> AI26.9		NJW	31 Aug 2003	Look into making shadowgrams not 
based on
OPEN					weighted events, to handle grey filter 


<njw> I forgot what they should not be based on END
<larsson> weighted events, to handle grey filter
> Perhaps part of the AI includes finding out what else they could be
> based on: when's the new due date? END
<larsson> Is that "not" correct?? END
<njw> Not done yet but still valid. Due mid-December 2003 END
> As I remember the meeting NL was very much against event weighting because
> it introduces a great deal of noise, where one photon stands in for many,
> so I believe the `NOT' is not only correct, but the nub of the matter. END
> Mid-December it is. END
> One for PK, and one for me:
> AI26.10		PK	31 Aug 2003	Look into creation of new 
DAL3JEMX function
OPEN					to calculate fractional exposure

AI26.11		CAO	31 Aug 2003	Check that deadtime logic works 
correctly
OPEN					for grey filtering and buffer flushing


> For my part this has not been looked into at all, I'll give it a new due date
> in a month's time, if that's okay with the rest of you. END
<peter> Please do the same for me - sorry. END
<larsson> OK.
> Now TWO for NJW (lucky you!):
> AI26.12		NJW	30 Sep 2003	IMA level to output significance 
maps
OPEN

AI030828_1	NJW	30 Sep 2003	Look into sources moving parallel to
OPEN			COSY / COSZ axes giving problems with vignetting, esp.
			GRS 1915
			

> How's it going NJW? END
<njw> Not done but will be during this month END
> One for Peter:
> AI031029_2	PK	7/11/2003	Send CAO area and constant name for the
OPEN			the ideal detector area used to normalise fluxes


<peter> This one has been rendered obsolete because we have decided to use 100 
cm2 finally -> closed END
> Thanks for getting that straight - I didn't know if it'd been decided or
> just discussed a lot. What do you want the constant to be called? END
<peter> How about J_NORM_AREA ? END
> Closed and put into jemx.h. END
<larsson> OK. END
> The last AI's about the circular review, which begins as soon as I send
> you all the review version of ADD 8.0 (hopefully on Friday). END
> So any comments? END
<larsson> N. END
<jerome> N
<Sami> N
<njw> N
> Next on this agenda: ISDC rotation - your chance to complain directly to
<silvia> N
>  Jerome! END
<silvia> I am very sorry to tell you, that I have changed my mind regarding this 
issue.
<silvia> I am having a really hard time trying to write my PhD Thesis and I 
should
<silvia> focus on it, because it has to be ready by spring. Therefore I decide 
to
<silvia> be involved in other issues at least as possible, and I will apreciate 
to travel
<silvia> to ISDC as JEM-X representant as the others. Of course, I will do some 
staies by my
<silvia> own to ISDC to discuss with Peter about the thesis, but only to work 
100% of
<silvia> my time on it.
<silvia> I am so sorry, but I really need to focus on the Thesis ! END
<jerome> Ok Silvia. Then I am going to make a new plan and circulate it...
<jerome> Other comments?
<jerome> END
<silvia> Merci Jerome ! END
<peter> N
> Don't you mean: Mercy Jerome!!! END
<jerome> :-))
> Anyone want to put limitations on when they can be in ISDC: holidays,
<Sami> I agree that :) END
> prior meetings, birthdays, weddings etc. I suggest you speak up now so that
>  JC doesn't have to keep doing this thing over and over. END
<jerome> I will base the new plan on the last I sent by email, just putting 
Silvia as the other.
<peter> I think you guys _should_ be here on your birthdays and throw parties 
:-) END
<jerome> That means we all be at ISDC more often tha in the previuos plan, but 
not so often anyway.
<larsson> I have a bunch of limitations. have to send them by mail Jerome. END
<jerome> Yes Stefan. I take acoount of that.
<jerome> END
> I think somewhat more often than in the previous plan would be quite
> acceptable. My birthday's March 31st and I'd love to be in Geneva to
> celebrate it since my husband often forgets, and that's very depressing. END
<jerome> Roger.
> Any more comments? My son's birthday is April 18th and I HAVE to be home
> for that whole week, ditto September 25th. END
<jerome> Please every body. Send me an email ASAP with your preferences. Thanks. 
END
> Okay, if no more comments: next agenda point is 5th INTEGRAL workshop.
> Comments? END
<silvia> Are all of us going to attend ? END
<njw> I am END
<larsson> I will. END
<peter> I will END
<jerome> Shall we plan at least one SDAST-evening party (restaurant...)? END
> It would be hard for me to be away for a whole week: and it's be a perfect
> time for me to work on Planck. Just send the guys off with my poster....END
> Good idea! END
<peter> The SDAST party is a good idea - assuming you also accept bystanders 
like Baerbel ... END
> I'm really tempted to come now....END
<jerome> You Germans are going to guide us in Munchen then! END
<peter> We'll somehwo manage. END
> I'll look into the childcare possiblities from my mother's side END
> Any more comments? END
<jerome> N
<Sami> N
<larsson> N
> Okay, last agenda point before AOB: status for OSA 3.0.
<peter> N
> Have we all delivered the necessaries now? What's the presumed release
<peter> OSA 3.0 is strongly expected to be out by end of November. There is a 
lot of effort ongoing to make that happen.
> date Peter? Anyone doing beta testing of the package sent by Peter
> today? END
<silvia> To Peter - I will implemented the SPR ASASP. But should I deliver now 
or wait a bit - just in case we have other small bug ? END
<peter> In principle, all required updates are there and the software is frozen. 
In practice, I think we'll still see at least one bugfix update. END
<peter> To Silvia: if the SPR is accepted then please deliver soon, but I have 
also two requests for the GUI:
<peter> IMA_angleLimit and BIN_I_backCorr should be visible parameters. END
<peter> I could write a SCREW, but maybe you could make these par file changes 
without that. END
<peter> A question to all of you:
<silvia> To Peter - OK, I will do the changes. I do not think a SCREW is needed 
!  END
<peter> Should we have the scripts always make the shadowgram use BKG model 
data, if it was created?
<peter> At the moment that is independent. END
> I think that should be a user option....but then I never get that far up
> the pipeline. END
<njw> Should that be decided now. I guess that the evaluation will show what is 
best END
<larsson> I agree with NJ. END
<peter> OK. END
> I agree with NJW too. Perhaps we should n't rush into anything now - we
> can discuss it at the meeting. END
> Any more comments? END
<Sami> N
<silvia> N
> AOB anyone? END
<larsson> NO.
<silvia> N.
<njw> N
<peter> No 
<peter> Wait - one piece of info:
<peter> many of us assume that we'll have to do an OSA "patch" or minor release 
in mid January to take care of the problems we find in the next weeks that can't 
be fixed immediately. END
<peter> The next full OSA release won't be there before April, given the date of 
the Munich meeting. END
> That's fine with me - I've got some niggly little SCREWs that could do with
> tackling soon - but then, like I say, I never get very far up the pipeline
> anyway......END
<jerome> May I ask: How many OSA release do you think are planned, or 
foreseen...?
<peter> Two per year until ... who knows? Maintaing software is a continuing 
job. END
<peter> That's main releases. Some minor ones will probably be added. END
<jerome> And you not even sale them...!
> If they sold the software, they might have to start paying us real
> wages! END
<silvia> I am leavng to take lunch ! Chat with all of your next week ! Have a 
nice afternoon ! END
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> Well, if there's no more comments: thanks for a very productive chat,
> let's do it again next week, when the major attraction will be:
> preliminary comments on ADD and Valencia agenda. See you then! END
<njw> Bye Bye
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<jerome> Yeah! Let's have a piece of cake (Only for DRSI :-) 
<jerome> Bye.
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<larsson> Bye
<peter> Bye
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<larsson>  /quit
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> Bye you all. END
